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Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:18 pm
by Pepé Le Pew • | 2.722 Posts

Not Eriba-related, and not caravan-related either.

Can anyone help me date this photograph from the cars on it? It's Northgate railway station in Bury St Edmunds.

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I know it's later than 1948 (when British Railways came into existence), but that's about all.

It's a reference for a commission I'm doing, and for reasons too complicated to mention I could do with knowing roughly when it was taken.

Thanks, chaps.

Pete

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:47 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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I suspect all three cars are pre WW2 models, so don't really help date the picture, given you can see from the noticeboard that it's post 1948. The UK car industry took a long while to get going after the war and most production that there was went for export for quite a while.

I'm not sure how quickly BR got the signs and noticeboards etc changed to the new ID, but in those days of shortages and rationing I wouldn't have expected it to be a priority, so at a guess I'd say 1949 or 1950.

If you can find a railway coach livery specialist, the bit of coach on the right might help if it's been reliveried, but again that sort of change came in over quite a lengthy period.

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:22 pm
by cabbie37 • | 643 Posts

The earliest date for the 'Blood and Custard' is February 1949, though apparently there were trials of the new livery that did occur on the Great Eastern the previous year. Not much help, I know, but it does give you the earliest date it could be...

I'm working on the cars. They are a bit later from the era I have an interest in. There seem to be 4 (possibly) identical cars. Is this a photo that relates to a specific event where a notable person arrives by train, perhaps?


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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:40 pm
by Pepé Le Pew • | 2.722 Posts

Quote: cabbie37 wrote in post #3
Is this a photo that relates to a specific event where a notable person arrives by train, perhaps?
No, not that I know of. I did wonder if the cars are taxis, not that it matters.

The reason an approximate date would help isn't top secret or anything. It's just that in the watercolour I'm using this picture as a reference for I want to rejig the cars a bit, taking one (or possibly two) of the existing ones out and adding a couple of others elsewhere.

The additional cars need to be something different and I don't want to draw something that isn't contemporary, if you see what I mean.

Something rather more prosaic like a Moggie would be nice, but it might have to be a really early one.

I sound like I'm being a bit anal over it, but it's a private commission and I'd hate it if Mr Client spotted a dropped testicle that I could have avoided.

And you can't correct a watercolour...


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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:07 pm
by cabbie37 • | 643 Posts

Well, I suppose the first question to ask is what date does the painting want to represent. If you can let me have an idea of that, then I might be able to suggest some appropriate vehicles...

As Andy said, post war car production was extremely limited, most cars going for export. Purchase tax on new cars was prohibitive. The late 40s and early to mid 50s saw much reliance on pre-war cars being given a seconf lease of life...


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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:10 pm
by Randa france • | 12.875 Posts

I've got a feeling the cars may be taxis. There's a large badge on the boot of the one on the right.

I therefore looked up the Austin range of cars because the early London taxis were Austin. I think the cars are 1940's Austin 10, 12 or most likely 16's.

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:47 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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You can put an image of my Daisy in there. My first car, purchased in 1966, but a 1938 Morris 8 4 seater tourer in British Racing Green with black mudguards. Spare wheel on the back plus a fold-up luggage rack. 0-60 in 'you must be joking'. Chewed half shafts for breakfast, SU fuel pump on the engine bay dashboard required regular 'servicing' with something heavy.

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:55 pm
by Randa france • | 12.875 Posts

How about the 1938 Austin 16 or 18 Norfolk as it's got plenty of seats and, unlike the later model, the front doors hinge from the bonnet and not the other way around.

Some good pics here:- https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Austin_16

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:21 pm
by Pepé Le Pew • | 2.722 Posts

Quote: cabbie37 wrote in post #5
Well, I suppose the first question to ask is what date does the painting want to represent.
The date of the photograph, bien sûr.

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:30 pm
by cabbie37 • | 643 Posts

Cars now confirmed to be Austin Light 12/4 from 1937/38 known as the New Ascot. Clearly a post-war photo though...

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:33 pm
by Pepé Le Pew • | 2.722 Posts

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #8
How about the 1938 Austin 16 or 18 Norfolk as it's got plenty of seats and, unlike the later model, the front doors hinge from the bonnet and not the other way around.

Some good pics here:- https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Austin_16
That's a good shout.

How about a Chalfont Sixteen Limousine?

I think I might do a Moggie.

Thing is, it might be a bit odd to do a Moggie if the photo turns out to have been taken in the Autumn of 1948 and the first ever Minor off the production line just happened to be parked outside Bury St Edmunds railway station...

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:34 pm
by Pepé Le Pew • | 2.722 Posts

Quote: cabbie37 wrote in post #10
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Yes, it does.

Thank you ...

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:42 pm
by Randa france • | 12.875 Posts

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Thing is, it might be a bit odd to do a Moggie if the photo turns out to have been taken in the Autumn of 1948 and the first ever Minor off the production line just happened to be parked outside Bury St Edmunds railway station...


What about a Series E? A good 1940's car that went on through the whole of the 50's. The first car I ever took control of on Fairwood Common in Swansea when I was 11 year of age. My Dad's car.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=morris...=myK3Y9FF4XgdfM:

Another classic. the three geared Ford Prefect circa 1946 (also the Anglia van same year). Another iconic car of the early 50's. My Dad had one of those too.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1C...=5dw4Cci3IX41HM:

Randa

Amended. Sorry, it's the Ford Prefect and Anglia circa 1946.

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:47 pm
by Pepé Le Pew • | 2.722 Posts

For anyone who kindly helped me out, this is what you helped me with.

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RE: Any armchair detectives around?

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:09 pm
by Randa france • | 12.875 Posts

Excellent. Don't know if you caught it but there was a very interesting programme on BBC 4 "Timeshift" "The Ladybird Books Story" (late or early dependant on your point of view) the other day. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03mp53s/clips

The hour long documentary discussed in great depth the illustrators roles in the success of these wonderful books. Very interesting indeed and a lesson for all modern publishers of childs literature.

Randa

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