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240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:04 am
by GT runner | 291 Posts

Hi All, I am hope someone might be able to shed some light on an electrical issue I have just noticed in my Troll 530 60th. I went to plug my small electric heater in yesterday and notice no power in the front bay socket. I then tried all the others, and no power there either. Also the fridge is not working, which I also runs off the 240v. All the 12v stuff appears to be working fine - lights, battery being charged, fridge light on 12v, pump for taps. My EHU cable is fine and the outside its plugged into is fine. I have attached 2 photos of the blue electrics box and the trips sited inside the wardrobe. Could it be a fuse blown in the blue electrics controller panel ???? All the trips are turned on and appear in the correct position. Any thoughts on what the issue could be would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Robbie

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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:22 pm
by JohnE | 576 Posts

The 12V fuses on the blue Schaudt CSV409 have no bearing on the 230V distribution to the mains sockets.

You can test if 230V is getting to the consumer unit (the box with the trip switches) by pressing the blue oval test button on the RCD breaker.
If mains is present then the RCD should trip off.

If it doesn't trip off then mains isn't getting to the caravan.

If it does trip off then there's a possibility an MCB is faulty - those NBS breakers are notoriously unreliable.

You have a 10Amp and a 16Amp breaker fitted, the 10Amp will supply the sockets, the 16Amp will be for the Truma Ultraheat - does this work?



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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:32 pm
by GT runner | 291 Posts

Evening John. Thank you for explaining all that. I will investigate in the morning. Best regards, Robbie


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:55 pm
by Inspecta_Gadget | 199 Posts

Hi,
I noticed that there only seems to be one white connector plugged in under the distribution box; there are 2 sockets under there so you could swap its position to see if it is the 16A mcb at fault.
The other end of the white cable feeds a multi-block connector beneath the blue box and the wardrobe base, behind the heater. Make sure all of these are engaged properly.
I hope Ive attached a photo of a cable with the connectors shown; note the little retaining clip which will need to be released for removal.

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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:39 pm
by GT runner | 291 Posts

Thanks Mr Gadget, Ive seen that cable in there. Will check in the morning. Much appreciated.


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:35 pm
by AlanC | 90 Posts

Another thing to check is that the cap on the EHU cable plug is horizontal and pushed fully into the socket on the side of the van.
This acts as a safety clip and has to be lifted to enable the plug to be removed from the socket.

If the cap is pushed upwards against the external flap of the socket the pins on the socket may not be making a secure connection to the plug, hence possibly your lack of mains power.

A simple thing but something you can see surprisingly often on campsites.

Alan


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:40 pm
by GT runner | 291 Posts

Thanks Alan, well I demounted the EHU cable and re mounted it and bingo the sockets sprung to life. I did your suggested tests too with the blue button on the consumer unit and it did indeed trip the RCDs - but just the left hand paint. I guess thats correct as assume the other 2 pairs are for the 12v ?? That just leaves the problem of the fridge no working, but guess thats a separate issue now as know the electric is getting to it. Thanks again. Robbie


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:03 pm
by JohnE | 576 Posts

Yes, just the left hand RCD should trip when the test button is pressed.

The 10 Amp MCB should feed all 230V sockets, the CSV 409's battery charger and the 230V fridge element.
The 16 Amp MCB should only feed the Ultraheat.

Is Mr Gadget correct in his observation that only one output cable is connected to the lower right hand side of the consumer unit?


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:15 pm
by AlanC | 90 Posts

The 12volt DC system is fed from the row of fused spade connectors along the bottom of the blue CSV 409 unit at the back of the wardrobe. The spade fuses used are the same as those used in your car.

Also along this bottom edge are connectors for a solar panel system, a switch that sets the right charge state for the battery if fitted, and fused feeds for lights and fridge amongst other things.

Alan


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:47 pm
by GT runner | 291 Posts

Yes John, just checked and there is one white cable coming from the bottom right of the consumer unit. There is also another connection point just behind it so I guess another cable cold be added ? Many thanks again, Robbie


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:43 pm
by JohnE | 576 Posts

Hi Robbie, so the one output cable from the consumer unit is feeding all 230V sockets and appliances, including the Ultraheat - this is potentially dangerous as that single cable just isn't man enough to carry all 230V loads.

As I mentioned in previous posts the Ultraheat should be connected to the spare connection point on the consumer unit - this will safely spread the load across both MCBs and along two cables.

I would imagine the Ultraheat's 230V cable (usually orange) is plugged intoto the multiblock underneath the wardrobe floor and you should be able to disconnect it from there and reconnect it to the consumer unit's spare socket.

You'll need to ensure the cables at the consumer unit are connected so that the existing white cable is switched by the 10 Amp MCB and the Ultraheat is switched by the 16 Amp MCB. If they are the other way round it's just a simple matter of swapping the plugs.


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:56 pm
by GeorgeWM | 8 Posts

Hi JohnE, is there a reason why the 2kW Ultraheat needs a 16A breaker but multiple 13A sockets are OK on a 10A breaker? On the first sight that sounds back to front. George


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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:13 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.229 Posts

I'm sure John will give a fuller reason, but I know the sockets are ran on 1.5 mm three core. In open air this is rated at 16amp, but the caravan runs are not open air and so I'd say it was safer to have a lower fuse rating that will fail before the flex does.

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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:28 pm
by JohnE | 576 Posts

Quote: GeorgeWM wrote in post #12
...is there a reason why the 2kW Ultraheat needs a 16A breaker but multiple 13A sockets are OK on a 10A breaker?
Circuit breaker (and fuse) ratings are selected with regard to the size (cross-sectional area) of the cable they're connected to - their sole purpose is to prevent cables from overheating and bursting into flames in the event of an overload.

The Ultraheat will run quite happily on a 10A MCB but as Robbie's consumer unit is already fitted with a 16A MCB then that's quite suitable for the Ultraheat's 1.5 mm² mains cable which, as Colin mentioned, is good for 16 Amps.

An MCB's current rating is the maximum continuous current it can carry without tripping, and depending on the specific type of MCB, the actual tripping current can be between 3 and 20 times its rated current. Robbie's MCBs are 'Type C' which are designed to trip (within a specified time) between 5 and 10 times their rated current.

10 Amp MCBs are usually fitted to a caravan's radial socket circuits to provide the best protection for the 1.5 mm² cable and at the same time won't 'nuisance trip' when using short-term high loads such as kettles, hair driers and toasters.



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RE: 240v Electrical issue on T 530

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:09 pm
by GeorgeWM | 8 Posts

Thank you.


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